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Hottest U.S. summer in 75 years; La Niña is back; Nate and Maria update
Posted by: Dr. Jeff Masters, 14:32 GMT 9. Září 2011 +23
The U.S. had its hottest summer in 75 years, and Texas smashed the record for hottest summer ever experienced by a U.S. state since record keeping began in 1895, NOAA's National Climatic Data Center said yesterday. The June - August average temperatures in Texas and Oklahoma were a remarkable 1.6°F and 1.3°F warmer than the previous hottest summer for a U.S. state, the summer of 1934 in Oklahoma. Texas' summer was 2.5°F hotter than their previous hottest summer, in 1998. Louisiana had its hottest summer on record in 2011, and the 4th hottest summer for any U.S. state since record keeping began in 1895. For the U.S. as a whole, the summer of 2011 was the 2nd warmest summer on record, just 0.1°F behind the notorious Dust Bowl summer of 1936. Fifteen states had a summer average temperature ranking among their ten warmest. Washington and Oregon were the only states across the lower 48 to have below-average summer temperatures. Texas also had its driest summer on record, with rainfall 5.29 inches (134.4 mm) below the long-term average, and 1.04 inches (26.4 mm) less than the previous driest summer in 1956. New Mexico had its second driest summer, Oklahoma its third driest summer, and New Jersey and California had their wettest summers on record. The U.S. Climate Extremes Index (CEI), which is sensitive to climate extremes in temperature, rainfall, dry streaks, and drought, indicated that an area nearly four times the average value was affected by extreme climate conditions during summer 2011. This is the third largest summer value of record, and came on the heels a spring season that was the most extreme on record. The CEI goes back to 1910.


Figure 1. Average temperatures for the summer in Texas and Oklahoma, at 86.8 degrees F (30.4 degrees C) and 86.5 degrees F (30.3 degrees C), respectively, exceeded the previous seasonal statewide average temperature record for any state during any season. The previous warmest summer statewide average temperature was in Oklahoma, during 1934, at 85.2 degrees F (29.6 degrees C). Image credit: National Climatic Data Center.

More bad news for Texas: La Niña is back
La Niña, which contributed to extreme weather around the globe during the first half of 2011, has re-emerged in the tropical Pacific Ocean and is forecast to gradually strengthen and continue into winter, NOAA announced yesterday. Over the past two weeks, ocean temperatures have cooled significantly in the Equatorial Pacific off the coast of South America. Ocean temperatures in the region 120°W - 170°W and 5°S - 5°N, called the Niño 3.4 region, were 0.6°C cooler than average over the first week of September. The threshold for a weak La Niña is temperatures 0.5° cooler than average, so we are now experiencing weak La Niña conditions. Drought conditions are common over the southern tier of states during a La Niña event, since the cooling of the equatorial Pacific waters usually pushes the jet stream such that rain-bearing low pressure systems pass through the Midwest and avoid the South. It is likely that the drought gripping Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico will continue well into 2012, due to the emergence of La Niña. La Niña events also typically cause wetter than normal winters in the Pacific Northwest and Ohio Valley, colder winters in the Pacific Northwest and northern Plains, and warmer temperatures in the southern states.


Figure 2. Departure of Sea Surface Temperature (SST) from average on September 8, 2011. Cooler than average waters in the equatorial East Pacific signify the emergence of La Niña. In the Atlantic, SSTs remain very warm in the Main Development Region between the coast of Africa and Central America, including the Caribbean. The Gulf of Mexico is cool where Tropical Storm Lee stirred up the water, and the waters off the Mid-Atlantic and New England coasts are cool due to the passage of Hurricane Irene. Image credit: NOAA/NESDIS.

Tropical Storm Nate
Tropical Storm Nate continues to remain nearly stationary in Mexico's Bay of Campeche. Latest visible satellite loops show that Nate is having trouble with the dry air to its north, which is getting wrapped into the circulation and interfering with intensification. Since the storm is stationary, it is upwelling cooler waters from the depths that are also slowing intensification. Wind shear has fallen to the low range, near 5 knots, so once Nate manages to wall off the dry air to its north and begin moving away from the pool of cool water beneath it, steady intensification should occur. Nate probably has time to intensify to a strong Category 1 hurricane, and perhaps a Category 2 hurricane, before making landfall Sunday in Mexico. The main hazard to Mexico will probably be very heavy rains that will cause flash flooding and mudslides. Thanks to last night's dropsonde mission by the NOAA jet, the computer models have now come into much better agreement on the future path of Nate. A ridge of high pressure is expected to build in to the north of the storm, forcing it westward or southwestward to a landfall in Mexico. Nate is too far south to be turned northwards towards Louisiana, as some model runs were suggesting yesterday.

Nate is a small storm, and is not likely to bring significant rains to Texas; only extreme South Texas near Brownsville could see an inch or so of rain over the weekend from an outer spiral band of Nate. Our latest wundermap wind forecast map from the European Center model, with the fire layer turned on, shows that Nate's wind field on Saturday and Sunday will not be large enough to fan the fires burning in Texas.


Figure 3. True-color MODIS image of Tropical Storm Nate taken at 1:40 pm EDT Thursday September 8, 2011. At the time, Nate was a tropical storm with 60 mph winds. Image credit: NASA.

Tropical Storm Maria
Tropical Storm Maria is not changing much in intensity it bears down on the Lesser Antilles Islands, data from an An Air Force Reserve hurricane hunter aircraft currently investigating the storm reveal. Top winds found by the aircraft at their flight level of 5,000 feet were just 48 mph as of 10am EDT, though some stronger surface winds were observed by their SFMR surface wind instrument. Satellite loops show that Maria's heavy thunderstorms have steadily increased in areal coverage and intensity this morning. Maria has grown into a very large tropical storm, and will bring heavy rains and strong gusty winds to nearly all of the islands in the Lesser Antilles. There is still a moderate 10 - 15 knots of wind shear affecting Maria, and this is slowing down intensification. Maria passed just south of buoy 41101 this morning. Sustained winds at the buoy ranged from 22 - 37 mph this morning, and the pressure dropped to 1003 mb. Martinique radar shows heavy rains from Maria are now affecting the islands, but the thunderstorms are not well-organized into spiral bands.

The intensity forecast models predicts steady strengthening for Maria, and I think likely that Maria will be a tropical storm with 50 - 60 mph winds in the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico on Saturday, and develop into a Category 1 hurricane shortly after pulling away from Puerto Rico on Saturday night or Sunday morning. The northeastern portion of the Dominican Republic with get heavy rains from Maria, but not tropical storm-force winds. The computer models are unified on taking Maria across the Northern Lesser Antilles, Virgin Islands, and close to eastern Puerto Rico, but then diverge on how strong the steering influence a trough of low pressure forecast to move off the U.S. East Coast early next week will have. The majority of the models predict that the Turks and Caicos Islands and the Bahamas will miss seeing the core of Maria, and the storm will curve to the northwest and then north between the U.S. East Coast and Bermuda on a track that would likely take Maria near Newfoundland, Canada. However, two models--the very reliable ECMWF, and the less reliable NOGAPS--predict that Maria will not get picked up by the trough, and instead will plow straight through the Turks and Caicos Islands and Bahamas towards Florida. Given that the ECMWF model predicts an unrealistically weak storm and the NOGAPS model was our poorest-performing major model last year, I believe a more northerly path missing the Turks and Caicos Islands and Bahamas is more likely. We need a dropsonde mission by the NOAA jet to help reduce some of the track uncertainty, but unfortunately we have only one such airplane, and it is tied up flying missions for Tropical Storm Nate in the Gulf of Mexico.

Lee's rains trigger historic flooding in New York and Pennsylvania
Rivers in New York and Pennsylvania swollen by record rains from the remains of Tropical Storm Lee have mostly crested and are on their way down this morning, but it will likely be another day before many of the 120,000 people evacuated from the historic floods can return to their homes. Flooding in many areas of Pennsylvania and New York exceeded that of Hurricane Agnes of 1972, which did $11.8 billion in damage (2010 dollars), and was the costliest hurricane in Pennsylvania's history. Binghamton, New York received 8.48" of rain in the 24 hours ending at 8 am EDT yesterday. This is nearly double the previous all-time record set just last year, when 4.68" fell on Sep 30 - Oct. 1, 2010. Binghamton has also already broken its record for rainiest year in its history; records go back to 1890. The Susquehanna River at Binghamton crested at 25.71', its highest level since records began in 1847, and spilled over the flood walls protecting the city. Rainfall amounts in Pennsylvania were even greater, with Harrisburg receiving 13.30", and a storm-maximum 15.37" falling in Elizabethtown, Pennsylvania. In Wilkes-Barre, PA, the Susquehanna River crested at 38.83' at 1:45 am this morning, just below the 41' flood wall protecting the city. The flood walls were 37' back in 1972 when Hurricane Agnes' rains pushed the Susquehanna River to 41', flooding the downtown area with 9' of water, damaging or destroying 25,000 buildings and causing $1 billion in damage. It's a good thing the flood walls were raised to 41 feet, or else a repeat disaster would have occurred. The extreme rains were due to the slow-moving remains of Tropical Storm Lee as it interacted with a stationary front draped along the Eastern U.S. Adding to the potent moisture mix was a stream of tropical moisture associated with Hurricane Katia that collided with the stationary front.


Figure 4. The Susquehanna River at Binghamton has crested this afternoon at its highest flood height on record, 25.71'. Records at this gauge go back to 1847. Image credit: NOAA/AHPS.

I'll have an update this afternoon.

Jeff Masters
Riverview Drive (Donegal)
Looking East from Massachusetts Ave, Endwell, NY
Riverview Drive
Flooded Stuart Mill bridge (cchj)
Stuart Mill at bridge near Birdfoot. Sept. 8 6:30 pm.
Flooded Stuart Mill bridge
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151. dfwstormwatch 16:34 GMT 9. Září 2011    

177 hours out cape Verde low drift n.w Caribbean low fizzles out blog gets a break, heavy rain over Virgina and north Carolina
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152. WeatherfanPR 16:34 GMT 9. Září 2011    
So we have La Niña again !!!!! I just moved to Tampa,FL and this is going to be my first Winter in FL so I want to know what does that mean in terms of Winter Weather for Florida, what can we expect ?

If anyone can answer. thanks in advance
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153. dfwstormwatch 16:36 GMT 9. Září 2011    

186 hours out break over! 2 Caribbean lows and one over n.e south america and strong cape verde low/t.d/t.s
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154. hurricane23 16:37 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting WeatherfanPR:
So we have La Niña again !!!!! I just moved to Tampa,FL and this is going to be my first Winter in FL so I want to know what does that mean in terms of Winter Weather for Florida, what can we expect ?

If anyone can answer. thanks in advance


In terms of winter in SFL with la nina it tends to lead to a warm mild winter.
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155. dfwstormwatch 16:38 GMT 9. Září 2011    

12z hwrf 24 hours out for maria
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156. Levi32 16:38 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl88:


Levi, have there been set up like this is the past, for this long? I mean everything seems to go to mexico or OTS? Does this long of a period seem normal to you? If you by any chance know of past years when this has happened for almost 6 years, I would really like to look those years up. Thank you


I don't understand why so many people think this season has been about avoiding the United States. We have already been hit 3 times and with 1 hurricane, we're only just how half-way through the season, and Katia has been the only true deep tropical system to recurve out to sea away from land so far. Storms like Bret, Cindy, Franklin, Gert, and Jose formed out in the middle of nowhere very far north already, and did not recurve. Only one true storm from the tropics has missed land. This has been a dangerous year pattern-wise. It doesn't favor Andrew-type tracks and long-track storms that come north of the Caribbean and get driven into Florida, but it favors storms like Irene having a chance to run up the east coast, and it favors the central-eastern Gulf of Mexico being opened up, as well as Florida for hits from the south, southeast, or southwest. The Caribbean and Central America have been under the gun too.
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157. redwagon 16:38 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting BioWeather:


Ah! That's when I'll get some work done! lol

Rarely do you see a model calling for a tight, strong albeit small storm such as Nate just apparently dying of loneliness and boredom over the richest rocket-fuel waters in the GOM...
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158. whepton3 16:39 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting JNCali:
I think that for the credibility of this blog we need to come up with a better description for "blob"... any thoughts??


thingie.
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159. Levi32 16:39 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting rmbjoe1954:


Hi Levi-

Can you copy that here, if possible? My firewall prevents the download. Thanks.


What do you mean by "copy it here"? I already hosted the image.
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160. GTcooliebai 16:40 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting WeatherfanPR:
So we have La Ni%uFFFDa again !!!!! I just moved to Tampa,FL and this is going to be my first Winter in FL so I want to know what does that mean in terms of Winter Weather for Florida, what can we expect ?

If anyone can answer. thanks in advance


A typical La Nina pattern across the US.


A typical El Nino pattern across the US.
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161. WeatherfanPR 16:40 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting hurricane23:


In terms of winter in SFL with la nina it tends to lead to a warm mild winter.


that's great. thanks
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162. mobhurricane2011 16:41 GMT 9. Září 2011    
you can always tell when there is not a tropical system heading for the US on here. It gets really really slow and the Global Warming talk fires up. Fact is there is still a few storms to watch and track, so where is all these so called people on here that say they are just here to track and talk about storms no matter where they are headed. There is a few that still do that. But not many. I think alot of folks on here just want to see a storms devastation on folks that dont want or need them. And to me that is pretty disturbing
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163. JNCali 16:42 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting whepton3:


thingie.

... uh, not the direction I was hoping to go with this...
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164. FallingBarometer 16:42 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Center is relocating.
13.5 55.0 with a motion slightly South of West (260 degrees +/-).
The 2:00 PM advisory should recognize change.
The 5:00 PM advisory will reflect a Westward movement of the projected path.
Game has changed.
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165. WeatherfanPR 16:43 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:


A typical La Nina pattern across the US.


A typical El Nino pattern across the US.


I don't see the graphics but thanks.
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166. Wunderwood 16:43 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting JNCali:
I think that for the credibility of this blog we need to come up with a better description for "blob"... any thoughts??


Tropical disturbance.
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167. GTcooliebai 16:44 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting WeatherfanPR:


I don't see the graphics but thanks.
I modified it, check post 160.
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168. 69Viking 16:45 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting JNCali:
I think that for the credibility of this blog we need to come up with a better description for "blob"... any thoughts??


Well until it becomes an Invest I can't think of anything better to call it, "Blob" of convection is short and to the point!
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169. Drakoen 16:45 GMT 9. Září 2011    
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170. IceCoast 16:46 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting JNCali:
I think that for the credibility of this blog we need to come up with a better description for "blob"... any thoughts??


Hmmm, how about just Convection?
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171. GTcooliebai 16:46 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting 69Viking:


Well until it becomes an Invest I can't think of anything better to call it, "Blob" of convection is short and to the point!
And meteorologists use it too.
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172. SWLACajun 16:46 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


Perhaps our Lt. Governor should do a little fact checking:

President signs disaster declaration for Texas - June 29, 2011

President signs disaster declaration for Texas - July 1, 2011

Govenor Rick Perry cuts volunteer fire department funding by 75%

I am just saying that you can not trust the words of politicians, even on the state and local levels. You have every right to be upset with Washington politicians but, do not think the politics stops there.

Something for Bastrop's citizens to consider?


Just how does this info you posted help the Bastrop people? Where is their declaration of help? Lt Gov was addressing that.
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173. dfwstormwatch 16:47 GMT 9. Září 2011    

12z hwrf 36 hours out
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174. TropicalWeatherGrl88 16:47 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


I don't understand why so many people think this season has been about avoiding the United States. We have already been hit 3 times and with 1 hurricane, we're only just how half-way through the season, and Katia has been the only true deep tropical system to recurve out to sea away from land so far. Storms like Bret, Cindy, Franklin, Gert, and Jose formed out in the middle of nowhere very far north already, and did not recurve. Only one true storm from the tropics has missed land. This has been a dangerous year pattern-wise. It doesn't favor Andrew-type tracks and long-track storms that come north of the Caribbean and get driven into Florida, but it favors storms like Irene having a chance to run up the east coast, and it favors the central-eastern Gulf of Mexico being opened up, as well as Florida for hits from the south, southeast, or southwest.


I have only been tracking storms since 2007. Maybe that's why to me it seems there is just weird setups especially last year.
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175. Levi32 16:48 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting TropicalWeatherGrl88:


Levi, have there been set up like this is the past, for this long? I mean everything seems to go to mexico or OTS? Does this long of a period seem normal to you? If you by any chance know of past years when this has happened for almost 6 years, I would really like to look those years up. Thank you


To answer your question more directly though, we haven't had a 6-year period. Don't forget 2008. That was a big-time U.S. landfall year. 2006 and 2009 were El Nino years...no surprise there. It really hasn't been that out of the ordinary. The only truly abnormal thing in the last 6 years was 2010, which followed none of the rules (that following winter didn't either).
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176. JNCali 16:48 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Wunderwood:


Tropical disturbance.

That's a better than 'Thingie' (sorry Whep) but it already has a fairly strict definition: link
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177. OviedoWatcher 16:49 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting JNCali:

... uh, not the direction I was hoping to go with this...


Pre-invest? FBD (Feature for Blog Discussion)?
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178. dfwstormwatch 16:49 GMT 9. Září 2011    

12z hwrf 48 hours out
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179. WeatherfanPR 16:50 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting GTcooliebai:
And meteorologists use it too.



now I see the graphics, thanks. for me this is good news because I don't want the temps to drop to much.
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180. Levi32 16:50 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Maria is a big slop right now. There are winds from every direction but no well-defined center. If Maria hadn't been named before today, she wouldn't be right now.

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181. SPLbeater 16:50 GMT 9. Září 2011    
whats going on with Nate. whats ging on with Katia. whats going on with Maria. they all changin lol. my eyes see an eye forming in Nate(possible) my eyes see Katia looking better, but racing NE(so nothing). Maria look betr, i expect 50 at 2 PM ATLEAST
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182. scooster67 16:51 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Neapolitan:
Click for larger image:


Nea,

You know I usually avoid this topic, but it is part of Doc's Blog today.

If GW is the cause of the current drought and dry conditions. What was the cause of the drought in the dust bowl era?
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183. Drakoen 16:51 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
Maria is a big slop right now:



Multiple vorticities. Should be fun to track.
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184. dfwstormwatch 16:51 GMT 9. Září 2011    

12z hwrf 54 hours out
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185. Some1Has2BtheRookie 16:52 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting SWLACajun:


Just how does this info you posted help the Bastrop people? Where is their declaration of help? Lt Gov was addressing that.


I do not chose to argue. I gave you the links to the facts. Do with them as you wish.

Added -

This is a quote from the second link concerning the disaster declarations for the fires - "FEMA said additional designations may be made at a later date if requested by the State and warranted by the results of further damage assessments."
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186. Progster 16:52 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting 69Viking:


Well until it becomes an Invest I can't think of anything better to call it, "Blob" of convection is short and to the point!


well, its forming on a frontal boundary, so "wave" is probably the most technically correct description.
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187. will40 16:53 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Levi32:
Maria is a big slop right now. There are winds from every direction but no well-defined center. If Maria hadn't been named before today, she wouldn't be right now.

Quoting Levi32:
Maria is a big slop right now. There are winds from every direction but no well-defined center. If Maria hadn't been named before today, she wouldn't be right now.




yes and that is what the ECMWF was seeing
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188. dfwstormwatch 16:53 GMT 9. Září 2011    

12z hwrf 60 hours out
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189. WeatherfanPR 16:54 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Drakoen:


Multiple vorticities. Should be fun to track.


and very difficult too.
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191. SunnyDaysFla 16:54 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting dfwstormwatch:

12z hwrf 54 hours out


All we are seeing are black boxes, linking disabled
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192. Levi32 16:55 GMT 9. Září 2011    
The GFS is trying to pick up on this idea too....Day 12:

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193. will40 16:55 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting SunnyDaysFla:


All we are seeing are black boxes, linking disabled


yea he has to host that site to get a link
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194. dfwstormwatch 16:56 GMT 9. Září 2011    

66 hours out
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195. CaribBoy 16:56 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Maria, hopefully we will get decent rains from you here at 18N63W
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196. GTcooliebai 16:57 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Anyone know if we've ever had a 3 yr. El Nino event, and is there any signs it will follow a 3 yr. La Nina?
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197. CaribBoy 16:58 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Maria reminds me 2009 Erika
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198. FLWeatherFreak91 16:59 GMT 9. Září 2011    
This oughta be fun:
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199. TropicalWeatherGrl88 16:59 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Levi32:


To answer your question more directly though, we haven't had a 6-year period. Don't forget 2008. That was a big-time U.S. landfall year. 2006 and 2009 were El Nino years...no surprise there. It really hasn't been that out of the ordinary. The only truly abnormal thing in the last 6 years was 2010, which followed none of the rules (that following winter didn't either).


Thank you for your time, Levi. I appreciate your input ;-)
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200. FtMyersgal 16:59 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Drakoen:


Multiple vorticities. Should be fun to track.


Will that make the models go nuts?
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201. SWLACajun 16:59 GMT 9. Září 2011    
Quoting Some1Has2BtheRookie:


I do not chose to argue. I gave you the links to the facts. Do with them as you wish.


Uh huh...facts are as posted....Bastrop does not have any help. It is what it is. How about we get back to hurricane weather issues?

About addition: Well Lt Gov is asking and as well documented by new coverage for those poor people for the last week, still no help from FEMA. Wonder how long they have to research it before they deem them worthy of help? Put yourself in these people's places. Yesterday would have been too soon for help.
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